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Dave Argo
Tuesday, March 27, 2018 5:L0 PM
'Matthew Ringer'
Andy Schwaller (aschwaller@garfield-county.com)
Ringer Cabin - Permit #BLRE-03-l-8-5L15
Existing Structure Permit.pdf; GarCo Bldg Reqts-2O16.pdf; GarCo Plan Attachments'pdf;
Ringer Plan Redlines.pdf
Matthew:
We have reviewed the plans & other information you have submitted for a building permit at the "recreational cabin"
which you would like to convert into your primary residence at 7315 County Road 312.
Unfortunately, we cannot issue a building permit for this residence until we receive a letter from an Engineer or Design
professional certifying that this building complies with Garfield County's Building Requirements - including structural,
insulation and plumbing, etc. - items which are all now concealed from view and cannot be verified by our Building
lnspectors. As a result, we must rely on a report issued by a Colorado licensed Professional Engineer or Architect to
certify that your building meets our minimum requirements. Please refer to the attached one-page description of
"Obtaining a Building Permit for an Existing Structure" for more information.
For your edification, I have also attached a copy of Garfield County's Building Requirements, as well as the redlines on
your floor plans with numerical references to the attached "Residential Plan Review List". Between these documents
and the items redlined on your plans, you can get a good idea about the items your Engineer and/or Architect should
address in their report. From a Structural Engineering perspective, the report should address compliance with the
Engineered plans you have submitted to our office by Anderson Structural Engineering.
Since we do not review photographs forthe purpose of providing "ex post facto" building inspections, you are welcome
to come pick up from our office the pictures you submitted along with your plans. These would perhaps be more
suitable for you to present to an Engineer or Architect who can then provide us with the certification report as described
above.
Also please note that our review & pending issuance of a building permit for this application only centers on the
recreational cabin and its conversion into your primary residence. Any forthcoming approval for this project in no way
should be interpreted as approval of either a Land Use Change Permit or Building Permit for the existing barn structure.
Until we receive the follow-up documentation described above we will place your project file in our "pending permits"
file.
Thank you for your assistance in completing your application.
Døve Argo
Plans Examiner
GarJidd Coant¡
Community Development Department
708 8th Street, Suite 407
Glenwood Springs, CO 81.601
Tel: 970-945-8272 Ext. 1670
Emoil : d a rgo @ gø rfi eld-cou nty.com
Web : ga rfiel d-cou nty. com
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Gørfield County
BUILDING DEPARTMENT
108 Eighth Street, Suite 401, Glenwood Springs, CO 81601
Tel: (970) 945-8212
Obtaining a Building Permit for an Existing Structure
Because an existing building's structural and architectural elements were not inspected during the initial
construction, the following steps are required to obtain a building permit and subsequent Certificate of
Occupancy (CO) for the structure already built, or otherwise for an existing structure being moved into
Garfield County from another location:
1) Depending on the type and use of the building, a specific permit packet (application and
checklist) must be obtained from the building department. Please callthe building department
to determine which packet applies. Building permit application packets are also available online
by visiting:
https://www.garfietd-county.com/community-development/building-permit-opplicotions'ospx
2) A Colorado licensed design professional (Architect or Engineer) must perform a site visit and
inspection to verify the structure meets the requirements for structural and non-structural
provisions of the adopted codes. As part of the bu¡lding permit application process, the design
professional must certify with a sealed letter that the building meets adopted codes. This letter
must accompany the building permit application. Depending on the complexity of the structure,
building plans may also need to be drawn and submitted with the application.
3) Upon approval of the application, a permit will be issued and the final permit fees will be
collected. Typically there are one or two inspections performed by the county to finalize the
process and issue a CO if applicable'
4) Additional permits for septic, electrical or driveways may be required and must be submitted
and finalized prior to issuance of a CO if applicable'
Pleose contoct the Community Development department with any questions or concerns.
Dave Arqo
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Dave Argo
Friday, March 30, 2018 11":1-0 AM
'Matthew Ringer'
Andy Schwaller; Sylvia Ringer; Glenn Hartmann
RE: Ringer Cabin - Permit #BLRE-03-18-51-15
Matthew:
It,s good to hear that your Structural Engineer was present during construction to view structural elements of the cabin
as it was being built. That should make it easier for them to certify that it complies with Garfield County's minimum
building requirements. The purpose of taking photos during construction is to provide a record of construction progress
for a consulting professional Engineer hired directly by you so that they can view key structural & plumbing elements of
that become concealed during the construction process. our office can only review & inspect work as it's being
completed, which is why it's best to pull a building permit before construction begins'
After looking at your building permit application for the barn, I know that we are still awaiting Structural Engineering
certification of this existing steel building before we can go any further in issuing an "after the fact" building permit. The
barn is still being held in our "pending projects" file and I believe that Andy Schwaller contacted you recently about
whether or not you wanted to have us continue to hold the file or close it out.
I have also asked Glenn Hartmann to reach out to you for a status update and to assist you with any pending land use
change issues on your ProPertY.
Dave Argo
Plans Examiner
Garfielcl Ctturry
Community Development Department
1-08 gth Street, Suite 40L
6lenwood Springs, CO 81601
Tel: 970-945-82L2 Ext. 1610
Ema il : d o rg o @ g a rfield-cou nty.com
Web : go rfi el d-cou nty.com
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Sent: Thursday, March 29,2OL8 4:54 PM
To: Dave Argo <dargo@ga rfield-county'com>
Cc: Andy Schwaller <aschwaller@garfield-county.com>; Sylvia Ringer <sringe12l-@gmail'com>
Subject: Re: Ringer Cabin - Permit #BLRE-03-18-5L15
I will get my engineer to certify the building was built with Garfielcl County Building requirements. Landon
Anderion (my eirgi¡eer) conducted a site visit during the construction phase when all structural components
were visible. I will also pass on the photos to him for further review if needed. The only reason I submitted
photos with my applicat^ion to your òffi". is because I was specifically told about ayeal ago at a meeting with
you present to-,,taki lots of phótos" concerning the o'ex post facto" cabin topic. I guess I mis-understood what
Dave,
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Matthew:
that meant? Did policy change on this? Neverthclcss, I can provide my engineer with whatever he leeds to
complete his report.
Also, I am well aware that thc permitting of the cabin as a primary residenoe has no bearing on the permitting or
land use change for the agricultural barn that is also on the property. I have been waiting for many weeks for a
pre-conference surnnrafy or follow up meeting concerning that topic from the community development office. I
have taken steps to meet several of the requirements t'or permitting of the bam such as mccting with the Fire
Marshall (Onin Moon) at the location, meeting with Road and Bridge representative at the location, providing
an engineer report for the structure, as well as having a water pump performance test conducted. At this poini
we are not sure how to get additional movement on the process as we have left several messages trying to
schedule a follow up meeting to discuss the Pre-conference sunìmary progress. I assume yourofTice is busy.
Thank you for the attached supplemental information for the permitting process.
on Tue, }l4.ar 27 ,2018 at 1 :10 PM Dave Argo <dargo@garfield-coufi wrote:
We have reviewed the plans & other information you have submitted for a building permit at the "recreational
cabin" which you would like to convert into your primary residence at7315 County Road 312.
Unfortunately, we cannot issue a building permit for this residence until we receive a letter from an Engineer
or Design Professional certifying that this building complies with Garf,reld County's Building Requirements -including structural, insulation and plumbing, etc. - items which are allnow concealed from viewand cannot
be verified by our Building Inspectors. As a result, we must rely on a report issued by a Colorado licensed
Professional Engineer or Architect to certify that your building meets our minimum requirements. Please refer
to the attached one-page description of "Obtaining a Building Permit for an Existing Structure" for more
information.
For your edification, I have also attached a copy of Garfield County's Building Requirements, as well as the
redlines on your floor plans with numerical references to the attached "Residential Plan Review List". Between
these documents and the items redlined on your plans, you can get a good idea about the items your Engineer
andlot Architect should address in their report. From a Structural Engineering perspective, the report should
address compliance with the Engineered plans you have submitted to our offrce by Anderson Structural
Engineering.
Since we do not review photographs for the purpose of providing "ex post facto" building inspections, you are
welcome to come pick up from our office the pictures you submitted along with your plans. These would
perhaps be more suitable for you to present to an Engineer or Architect who can then provide us with the
certification report as described above.
Also please note that our review & pending issuance of a building permit for this application only centers on
the recreational cabin and its conversion into your primary residence. Any forthcoming approval for this
project in no way should be interpreted as approval of either aLand,Use Change Permit orBuilding Permit for
the existing barn structure.
Until we receive the follow-up documentation described above we will place your project file in our 'opending
permits" file.
Thank you for your assistance in completing your application.
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DaveArgo
Plans Examiner
Community Development Department
108 8th Street, Suite 401
Glenwood Springs, CO 81601
Tel: 970-945-82 I 2 ht. I 61 0
Email : darqo@gar-lìeld-countv.com
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Matthew Ringer < mmringer2L@gmail.com>
Thursday, March 29,201.B 4:54 PM
Dave Argo
Andy Schwaller; Sylvia Ringer
Re: Ringer Cabin - Permit #BLRE-03-18-5115
Dave,
I will get my engineer to certify the building was built with Garfield County Building requirements. Landon
Anderson (my engineer) conducted a site visit during the construction phase when all structural components
were visible. I will also pass on the photos to him for further review if needed. The only reason I submitted
photos with my application to your office is because I was specifically told about ayear ago at a meeting with
you present to "take lots of photos" concerning the "ex post facto" cabin topic. I guess I mis-understood what
that meant? Did policy change on this? Nevertheless, I can provide my engineer with whatever he needs to
complete his report.
Also, I am well aware that the permitting of the cabin as a primary residence has no bearing on the permitting or
land use change for the agricultural barn that is also on the property. I have been waiting for many weeks for a
pre-conference summ¿Ìry or follow up meeting concerning that topic from the community development office. I
have taken steps to meet several of the requirements for permitting of the barn such as meeting with the Fire
Marshall (Onin Moon) at the location, meeting with Road and Bridge representative at the location, providing
an engineer report for the structure, as well as having a water pump performance test conducted. At this point
we are not sure how to get additional movement on the process as we have left several messages trying to
schedule a follow up meeting to discuss the Pre-conference summary progress. I assume your office is busy.
Thank you for the attached supplemental information for the permitting process.
On Tue, Mar27,2018 at 1:10 PM Dave Argo <dargo@garfield-co wrote:
Matthew:
'We have reviewed the plans & other information you have submitted for a building permit at the "recreational
cabin" which you would like to convert into your primary residence at7315 County Road 312.
Unfortunately, we cannot issue a building permit for this residence until we receive a letter from an Engineer
or Design Professional certifying that this building complies with Garfield County's Building Requirements -
including structural, insulation and plumbing, etc. - items which are all now concealed from view and cannot
be verified by our Building Inspectors. As a result, we must rely on a report issued by a Colorado licensed
Professional Engineer or Architect to certify that your building meets our minimum requirements. Please refer
to the attached one-page description of "Obtaining a Building Permit for an Existing Structure" for more
information.
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: For your edification, I have also attached a copy of Garfield County's Building Requirements, as well as the
redlines on your floor plans with numerical references to the attached "Residential Plan Review List". Between
these documents and the items redlined on your plans, you can get a good idea about the items your Engineer' andlor Architect should address in their report. From a Structural Engineering perspective, the report should
address compliance with the Engineered plans you have submitted to our office by Anderson Structural
Engineering.
r Since we do not review photographs for the purpose of providing "ex post facto" building inspections, you are
' welcome to come pick up from our office the pictures you submitted along with your plans. These would
, perhaps be more suitable for you to present to an Engineer or Architect who can then provide us with the
certification report as described above.
Also please note that our review & pending issuance of a building permit for this application only centers on
the recreational cabin and its conversion into your primary residence. Any forthcoming approval for this
project in no way should be interpreted as approval of either aLand Use Change Permit or Building Permit for
the existing barn structure.
Until we receive the follow-up documentation described above we will place your project file in our oopending
permits" hle.
Thank you for your assistance in completing your application.
Dave Argo
Plans Examiner
GurJield CCIunt¡,
Community Development Department
108 8th Street, Suite 401
Glenwood Springs, CO 81601
Tel: 970-945-82 I 2 Ext. I 6 I 0
Emai I : d ar go@Earrt e I d- c ounty. c om
' Web: sarlìeld-countv.com
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Dave Argo
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Matthew Ringer < mmringer2l@gmail.com >
Thursday, June 14, 2018 L0:16 PM
Dave Argo
Andy Schwaller
Re: Ringer Cabin - Permit #BLRE-03-18-5LL5
Follow up
Completed
Dave and Andy,
Please see the attached engineer report and "redlines" response for the recreation cabin conversion to primary
residence. I have also contacted the County Road and Bridge to verify the driveway exemption. This occurred at
least a month ago and it was my understanding that they would contact you directly
to confirm this.
Please let me know if you need anything else to issue the final inspection.
Ringer Cabin "red lines" response
E
Ringer ADU Letter.pdf
Dave Argo
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Dave Argo
Tuesday, March 27,20L8 5:10 PM
'Matthew Ringer'
Andy Schwaller (aschwal ler@ garfield-cou nty.com)
Ringer Cabin - Permit #BLRE-03-L8-5115
Existing Structure Permit.pdf; GarCo Bldg Reqts-2OL6.pdf; GarCo Plan Attachments.pdf;
Ringer Plan Redlines.pdf
Matthew:
We have reviewed the plans & other information you have submitted for a building permit at the "recreational cabin"
which you would like to convert into your primary residence at 7315 County Road 3L2.
Unfortunately, we cannot issue a building permit for this residence until we receive a letter from an Engineer or Design
professíonal certifying that this building complies with Garfield County's Building Requirements - including structural,
insulation and plumbing, etc. - items which are all now concealed from view and cannot be verified by our Building
lnspectors. As a result, we must rely on a report issued by a Colorado licensed Professional Engineer or Architect to
certify that your building meets our minimum requirements. Please refer to the attached one-page description of
"Obtaining a Building Permit for an Existing Structure" for more information.
For your edification, I have also attached a copy of Garfield County's Building Requirements, as well as the redlines on
your floor plans with numerical references to the attached "Residential Plan Review List". Between these documents
and the items redlined on your plans, you can get a good idea about the items your Engineer and/or Architect should
address in their report. From a Structural Engineering perspective, the report should address compliance with the
Engineered plans you have submitted to our office by Anderson Structural Engineering.
Since we do not review photographs for the purpose of providing "ex post facto" building inspections, you are welcome
to come pick up from our office the pictures you submitted along with your plans. These would perhaps be more
suitable for you to present to an Engineer or Architect who can then provide us with the certification report as described
above.
Also please note that our review & pending issuance of a building permit for this application only centers on the
recreational cabin and its conversion into your primary residence. Any forthcoming approval for this project in no way
should be interpreted as approval of either a Land Use Change Permit or Building Permit for the existing barn structure
Until we receive the follow-up documentation described above we will place your project file in our "pending permits"
file.
Thank you for your assistance in completing your application.
Dave Argo
Plans Examiner
Çnrfield Count¡.
Communlty Development Department
708 9th Street, Suite 407
Glenwood Spríngs, CO 87607
Tel: 970-945-8272 Ext. 1610
Emo il : d o rg o @ g o rfi eld-cou nty.com
Web : ga rfi eld-cou nty.com
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