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Kathy A. Eastley
Sylvia Ringer
Re. Conrmunity Meeting Facility - Wedding tacility
Kathy,
We have deciclecl to pull our application and cease to pursue the land use applicatjon dr"re to unl"'oreseen
circnnrstances. Sorry for any inconvenience,
Matthew
On Mon, Nov 21,2016 at l2:51 Kathy A. Eastley <hçullç::(lL*il{lc-lt|çqull!}'r-çJ.lln> wrote:
Cood aftcrnoon,
I wanted to contact you as I was assignecl your lancl Lrsc application. 'l'hc Cclr.urty has l0 business days t<t
review the application fbr technical completeness so you will bc hearing {'ronr us in early Dece¡lber.
Feel f'rce to cont¿ìct nle with any qucstions on this process. 'l'liank yor"r
Kothy Eostley, ATCP
Senior Plqnnør
Garf i eld County Community Development
108 8th Street, #4Ql
Glenwood Springs, CO 81601
Phone: 97O-945-t377 ext. LSBO
Foxr 970-384-3470
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Tuesday, April 25, 20L7 7:58 AM
'Matthew Ringer'; Glenn Hartmann; Matt Provost
Sylvia Ringer
RE: Ringer cabin permit/address request
Matthew:
It sounds like the most cr¡t¡cal item from a timing standpoint is establishing an address for your property to allow for
your solar installation. I have copied Matt Provost ¡n to this email who assigns addresses throughout Garfield County,
and it's my understanding that addressing is typically done only after a structure has been built on an individual
property. Matt is out of the office for a couple of days, but upon his return he can better advise you of the addressing
requirements.
On the solar system itself, is this a ground-mounted system? Or will it be attached to a building? lf ground-mounted will
there be foundations or is the system "self-contained" with its own support system?
From a building permit application standpoint, we ask that you provide us with a complete submittal package, so I
suggest waiting until your engineered plans have been completed before submitting your building permit application for
the residence. However, if you already have a completed set of plans for the barn structure, you are welcome to submit
at this time and then pull a separate building permit for the residential unit when drawings are completed. Thisapproach
actually provides you with greater flexibility in terms of scheduling inspections and receiving final certificate of
occupancy for each structure individually.
Dave Argo
Plans Examiner
Gartìeld County
Community Development Department
108 8th Street, Suite 401
Glenwood Springs, CO 8L601
Tel: 970-945-8212
Ema il : d a rgo @ g a rfield-cou nty. com
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From: Matthew Ringer [mailto:mmringer2 1.@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 24,2OI7 1:37 PM
To: David Argo <dargo@garfield-county.com>; Glenn Hartmann <ghartmann@garfield-county.com>
Cc: Sylvia Ringer <sringe12l@gmail.com>
Subject: Ringer cabin permit/address request
Dave and Glenn,
\We have found a cabin design that we would like to pursue, but it will take about four weeks to get the engineer
designs back.
Would it be possible to submit our Site Plan, barn structural plans, mechanical plans, in-revised cabin drawings,
and permit application to get an address?
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We would submit the completed engineer house/cabin plans as soon as we get them. We only request this
because the solar installers are scheduled to install on May 22nd andthey need the correct address to submit the
electric permit under. They typically request two weeks in advance.
Thank you
Matthew Ringer 97 0-618-5993
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Tuesday, May 09, 20L7 12:30 PM
'Matthew Ringer'
Matt Provost;Andy Schwaller (aschwaller@garfield-county.com); Glenn Hartmann
RE: Ringer Barn & New Cabin Permits
Ringer Permits Summary.pdf; Ringer Comm Mtg Facility Preapp 21833220001-1- -
2016.pdf
Matthew:
Thanks for your email yesterday. After looking over your building permit application for the existing barn structure and
reflecting on our previous conversation here in our office, I took the liberty of putting together a somewhat
comprehensive summary of the key elements of your proposed project. Your situation is somewhat unique in that there
are several "moving parts" to what you & Sylvia want to achieve as your ultimate build-out goals. Please reference the
attached PDF which identifies (6) separate components of your project and the necessary Garfield County permits you
will need to obtain in order to complete each of these items.
ln regards to your current application, before we can issue a building permit on the existing barn, you will need to
provide us with a Colorado licensed Engineer's report certifliing that the existing barn structure meets provisions of the
2015 lnternational Building Code and Garfield County's other building requirements.
Although the steel building drawings & photographs are helpful for us to see, this information doesn't really allow us to
review and inspect the barn structure for compliance with today's building codes, and that is why we require sign-off
and certification by a Colorado licensed Engineer. Unfortunately, this is the only way we can provide you with a building
permit for an existing structure, because our building inspectors were not present during construction to verify
structural conditions which may now be concealed from view.
Once we receive this certification report from your Engineer, we can issue an "ex post facto" building permit for the
existing barn, and Matt Provost can then assign you an address. However, before we can approve the restrooms and
mech. room addition to the barn, you will need to obtain a Land Use Change Permit allowing for commercial use of the
barn (see ltems #3 and #4).
I hope this attached comprehensive summary clarifies the process for approvals and permits as they relate to reaching
your ultimate goals of improving your property. Please let us know if you have any questions or require any additional
information.
Thanks,
Dave Argo
Plans Examiner
GarfieÍd Coutrty
Community Development Department
708 8th Street, Suite 40L
Glenwood Springs, CO 81601
Tel: 970-945-821.2
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Gørfield County
COMMTJNITY DEVELOPMENT
108 Eighth Street, Suite 401, Glenwood Springs, CO 81601
Tel: (970) 945-a212, îù: (970) 384-3470
MATTHEW & SYLVIA RINGER - BARN and NEW RESIDNCE
7225 County Rodd 372, New Costle
May 9,2077
Proiect Components & Garfield County Permit Requirements:
ITEM #1: Building Permit for Existing Barn Structure
o Description: This building was originally built in 2016 - without a Building Permit, but under terms
of Garfield County's Agriculture building exemption. Owners now want to amend the use of this
structure to include commercialventures - weddings & other events - which requires a Land Use
Change Permit (see ltem #3 below). ln addition to the LUCP, this existing structure requires a valid
building permit in order to allow commercial activities.
o Building Permit Requirements for Existing Structure: Since the existing barn structure was built
without the benefit of Garfield County building inspections, prior to issuing a Building Permit the
Building Dept. requires the Applicant to submit an inspection report issued by a Colorado licensed
Professional Engineer (signed & wet-sealed) certifying that the existing barn structure complies with
all provisions of the 2015 lnternational Building Code and Garfield County's minimum building
requirements. Upon receipt of the Engineer's inspection & certificat¡on report, a building permit can
then be issued, and a separate address for the barn structure will be assigned.
ITEM #2: lnstallation of Solar Panels at Existing Barn Roof
¡ Description: lnstallation of a solar array atop the existing barn's roof does not specifically require a
Building Permit from Garfield County, but solar installation needs to comply with Section 7-It}L of
Garfield County's Land Use & Development Code (see attached). lt is recommended that Applicant
review with an Engineer any structural load requirements for solar installation prior to installation.
r Schedule & Timeframe: Once the Building Permit for the existing barn structure has been issued
(see ltem #1 above) installation of solar panels may proceed according to the Applicant's schedule.
However, the Applicant is responsible for obtaining all necessary electrical permits and inspections
from the Colorado State Electrical Board.
ITEM #3: Land Use Change Perm¡t for Commercial Use of Existing Barn
o Description: Prior to any additional alterations or additions to the existing barn - including adding
restrooms and mechanical room for proposed commercial use of the existing structure - a Land Use
Change Permit must be obtained by the Applicant from Garfield County's Planning Dept.
¡ Land Use Change Permit Requirements: Refer to "Pre-Application Conference Summary" prepared
by Glenn Hartmann and dated t0/721I6 (copy attached) for specific requirements and associated
timetable for obtaining a Land Use Change Permit that may result in the approval of commercial use
of the existing barn structure.
G a rfield Co u nty Pe r m it Requi re me nts Moy 9, 2077
Ringer Barn & New Residence 7225 County Road 3L2, New Costle
ITEM #4: Building Perm¡t Application for Restrooms & Mechan¡cal Room at Barn
o Description: Once the LUCP has been issued allowing for commercial use of the existing barn, the
Applicant may submit a building permit application for alternation & addition to existing structure,
including restrooms & mechanical room. This commercial building permit application requires a
licensed Colorado design professional (Architect or Engineer)to prepare plans & specifications.
Required information includes:
existing barn structure
o Schedule/Timeframe: Applicant may submit Building Permit application for alteration/addition of
existing barn structure prior to issuance of approval of LUCP (see ltem #3 above), but the Building
Dept. cannot issue a building permit until issuance of the LUCP has been finalized.
ITEM #5: Building Perm¡t for New Cabin
¡ Description: The Applicants also intend to erect a "pre-fab" or manufactured structure to serve as a
temporary full-time residence adjacent to the existing barn. A new septic system will be shared
between the residence and the commercial restrooms provided at the barn (see ltem #4).
Ultimately, the Applicants' goal is to utilize this cabin as an Accessory Dwelling Unit following
completion of a new primary residence to be built at some future date. However, a Land Use
Change Permit for an ADU will be required in order to allow construction of a second residence on
this property.
*Note: The Applicant has indicated that an existing S.F. residence already located on this
property will ultimately be subdivided and sold off, and this divestiture of the existing S.F. home will
need to occur prior to construction of the new cabin.
r Schedule/Timeframe: As noted above, the Applicant will need to legally divest themselves of the
existing S.F. residence already located on this property prior to applying for a building permit to
build this new cabin adjacent to the barn. Once that legal transaction has been completed, the
Applicants may submit for Building Permit & Septic System for the new cabin residence. Plans for
the modular unit will be required, as well as a foundation design that meets Garfield County's
minimum standards. lf this building is a manufactured or modular housing unit, it is required to
comply with Colorado Dept. of Housing's certification requirements including a CDOH insignia on the
modular unit itself, as well as a CDOH insignia indicating approved installation at the project site.
ITEM #6: New Septic System for Barn Restrooms & New Cabin
o As described in ltems #4 and #5 above, a new septic system will be shared between the new cabin
residence and the commercial restrooms at existing barn structure. The Septic Permit can be applied
for simultaneously with either building permit (ltem #4 or ltem #5), whichever is submitted first. ln
either case, the septic system will need to be properly sized for ultimate build-out and will need to
comply with setbacks and other requirements of Garfield County's On-site Wastewater Treatment
System (OWTS) regu lations.
David Arqo
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Sylvia Ringer <sringer2L@gmail.com>
Tuesday, May 09, 20L7 2:L3 PM
David Argo; Matthew Ringer; Matt Provost; Glenn Hartmann; Andy Schwaller
Ringer Barn & New Cabin Permits
Hello All,
There seems to some confusion as to the intent of our application. I spoke to Glenn and he is going to have a
conversation with Dave to clarify things but I wanted to make sure a few key points are not misunderstood:
L The Barn is an agricultural barn. We are not intending to use it commercially now, if ever. There is certainly
a possibility that we will, but it is not 100%
2. Wehave 2 parcels of land. One has a home on it, the other one does not. We are selling the parcel with the
existing home and hoping to build a cabin on the vacantparcel. We are currently in the process of getting our
engineered plans for the cabin.
3. The cabin will be off the grid. However, the solar panels and mechanical room will be located on the barn
because the size of the bam roof would accommodate more panels. We were told to submit the permit for the
barn because the panels will be located on the barn and so that we could obtain an address sooner. Otherwise
we would not be permitting the barn structure at all.
4. The solar panels are scheduled to be installed on May 24th and for those we need a mechanical room on our
barn and the address.
5. When I spoke to Glenn he indicated that this confusion would not preclude Matt Provost from assigning an
address for this parcel so that we can proceed with the solar panel installation.
Please let me know if there are any questions. Again, the intent of this entire application process is so that our
family has a place to live by the end of the suÍlmer. The intent is not to permit a coÍtmercial building or
business right now. I know we have a unique situation with a lot of moving parts and we appreciate your
willingness to help us not be homeless in a few months, which once again is our main objective at this time.
Thank you for your time!
Sylvia Ringer
On Tue, l|r4ay 9,2017 at 12:57 PM, Matthew Ringer <mmringer2l@gmail. wrote:
FYI....
Forwarded message
From: David Argo <dargo@garfield-coufi
Date: Tue, May 9, 2017 at 12:30
Subject: RE: Ringer Barn & New Cabin Permits
To: Matthew Ringer <mmringer2 1 @gmail.
Cc: Matt Provost <mprovost@garfield- , Andy Schwaller <aschwaller@garfield ,
Glenn Hartmann <ghartmann@garfi eld-cou
Palomino Residential Design
Development/Building Desigrr/Construction
May 18,2017
Matthew and Sylvia Ringer
7225 CR3t2
New Castle, co 81647
Sent via Email mmringer2l @gmail.com
sylvski@yahoo.com
Re: Memorandum
Subject: Meetings with Garfield County Administration
Dear Matthew and Sylvia,
I had a chance to meet in two separate meetings today with Andy Schwaller and Dave Argo of the Building
Department; and with Glenn Hartmann of the Planning Deparfnent'
Some of my summary may be redundant, but I wanted to be sure we had this in writing so we can go back and
refer to thii information later. The following is a summary of each of those meetings:
Summary - Meeting with Andy Scwhaller and Dave Argo
- The existing agricultural non-permitted steel building may be retro-permitted as a Group U, Utility
building prıvided some drawing; professional certifications and submittal criteria are followed.
Retro-permitting will require aYtgrÁingApplication to change the formal Use of the building from
Agricultural to Utility. 'WW?^rl
- All drawings shall be designed, reviewed and stamped and signed by a Colorado Licensed
Professional Engineer (P'E.).
- The P.E. shall conduct field surveys and report(s) as required to verify that the project was
constructed in conformance with the drawings and all currently adopted International Building Code.
- If the Owner elects to permit the toilet room(s) and mechanical room, they can be submitted and
reviewed as a part of the retro-permit.
- A drawing shall be submitted to identify the In-Ground Sewage Disposal System (ISDS).
- As a Group U building, the toilet room(s) shall not contain bathing (tub, shower, etc.) facilities and
shall not contain a kitchen.
- A soils report prepared, reviewed and signed by a Colorado Licensed Professional Engineer (P.E').
Note: Not all P.E.'s perform soils investigations, those that due refer to themselves as Soils
Engineers. The Soils Engineer may not provide the engineering services required for the retro-permit
for the existing building.
- A change to commercial use (wedding chapel/community Building) of the utility building in the
future will require a Planning Application to change the formal Use of the building.
- Andy Schwaller mentioned he spoke with Sylvia regarding the possibility of permitting a small
detaðhed Utility Group building to house the solar system components. This submittal shall conform
I919 palmer avenus glenwæd springs' colorado 81601 p 970 379 9239 jackpalomino55@gmail.com
to the building permit review process for all new building construction with respect to planning,
septic, soils and structural requirements.
Summary - Meeting with Glenn Hartman
Reüo-Permitting the existing Agricultural use building as a Utility use building will require a
Planning Application to change the formal Use of the building. This can be completed as an
Adminisftative Review. Mail noticing to the neighbors is required, but a public hearing and
newspaper noticing is not required. Any change to revise for Commercial Use (Wedding
ChapeVCommunity Building) of the Utility building in the future will require a Planning Applicarion
to change the formal Use of the building. Mail noticing to the neighbors is required, but a public
hearing and newspaper noticing is not required.
A change to Commercial Use (Wedding Chapel/Community Building) of the Uriliry building in the
future will require a Planning Application to change the formal Use of the building. This can be
completed as an Adminisfrative Review. Mail noticing to the neighbors is required, but a public
hearing and newspaper noticing i$ not required.
A single-family dwelling (cabin or main house) is a use by right for the zoning of the property and
may be submitted for building permit review with no further planning review.
If and when a single-family dwelling exists on the property, any second single-family dwelling on the
property would have to be completed as an Administrative Review. Mail noticing to the neighbors is
required, but a public hearing and newspaper noticing is not required.
End of Meeting Summaries
Conclusions:
End of Memorandum
t7-0322 M051817
The building and planning departments will assist you with any direction you want to proceed and
will provide submittal çonformance requirements for any or all process reviews.
The most expedient method to move forward may be to design and prepare drawings and other
submittal materials tu cuushuut a uingle-family dwelling (cabln or meln hôuse) lmmediately but, DO
NOT link approval of the dwelling to any Planning or Building Permit reviews tbr reto-permitting of
the Agricultural building (i.e., shared solar systems/septic systems/water systems may slow down the
permit review process for the dwelling).
Existing Well: Please be sure to check the well documentation ûo determine that the well is permitted
to suppurt tuulti¡rlc rlwelling units. The review procêss to approve additional drilled wells can be
lengthy and require State agency reviews that are beyond the purview of Garfield County Planning or
Building Departments.
Retro-Persritting of the Agricultural building as a Utility building would be expedited by retaining the
services of Hi-Point Engineering to provide design and submittal materials for building permit
review.
2919 palmer avenue glenwood springs, colorado 81601 p97O379.9239 jackpalonino55@gmail.cm
File Notes
Phone Conversation- Ringer Building Permit
Glenn and I spoke to Sylvia Ringer regarding her ag building and future cabin on their property on CR
312. There had been several discussions regarding both buildings during the month. A building permit
application BLRE-05-17 -4707 had been submitted on 5-L-t7 to convert the ag building to a permitted
structure. The change in occupancy requires a building permit in order to use the structure for use
additional to just the storage of ag equipment or materials. The Ringers want to use the structure
accessory to their future cabin and possibly to hold wedding type venues in the future. They are also
planning on ¡nstalling solar panels, a battery storage room, and a mechanical room to heat part of the
structure.
Our discussion with Sylvia included a summary provided to her from her design professional Jack
Palomino. We did correct an inaccurate statement byJack relating to a requirement for a planning
permit to convert the barn from an ag use. We explained that only a building permit would be required
until they wanted to use the barn for formal wedding commercial use.
Sylvia said they were just going to build a remote cabin at this time to be occupied no more than 6
months per year. She said they would convert the structure in the future to a full time home with the
required building permit and process.
File Notes
Review BLRE-47O7
lncluded in the building permit is also a septic permit SEPT-05-17-4708. Matthew Ringer requested a
soils test for the proposed system. The permit was issued and Jim Wilson reviewed the soils on May 26,
2Ot7. Jim found the holes full of water and Matt was going to try another spot. Matt did ask Jim if he
could inspect some underground plumbing as part of the barn improvements Jim declined since there ís
not a building permit. Some plumbing would be allowed for an ag building. Typically, it would be limited
to a sink or WC. The septic permit is for the remote cabin, barn and possibly future development to
include an ADU.
ln reviewing the pictures of the foundation work for the barn that were in the file submitted by the
Ringers, it would appear the concrete piers were poured first then the footing was poured around the
pier. This would be contrary to the engineered plans, general practice, and the code. An engineer
would need to review the condition to determine a fix before the structure could be a permitted
structure.
Andy Schwaller
June2,2OL7
Andy Schwaller
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Andy Schwaller
Re: Website inquiry -Community Development
Thank you Andy.
Yes, we want to keep the permit for converting the barn. We are currently working on securing the engineer
report confirming the barn being built according to our engineer plans. We hope to present this later this
summer or sooner. Is this still within your timeframe?
On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at14:17 Andy Schwaller <aschwaller@earfield- wrote:
Mathew,
We provide a minimum size tank. One can and should increase the size for future expansions. We are also holding a
permit application for the barn structure. Are you intending to convert the structure from an ag exempt structure at
this time or should we void the application?
Thanks,
Andy
From: Matthew Ringer Imailto:mmrinee12l@smail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 21,2OL7 L2:4tPM
To: Andy Schwaller <aschwaller@garfield-countv.com>
Subject: Re: Website inquiry -Community Development
Andy,
Jim completed our septic perc test and provided the results/design for permit number 4708. One question I had
was that we were hoping to oversize our system to handle the future anticipated shared use of the recreation
cabin (1 bathroom with shower) and the multiple toilets (two bathrooms after permitting) in our barn, but the
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design shows a l00Ogallon tank. We were thinking itmay be appropriate to have a larger tank for this future
anticipated use. Is the size of tank something we can increase without changing the design, say to a 1200 or
1500 size tank? V/ould a 1000 gallon tank be suffrcient?
Thank you.
On Wed, ilrlay 24,2017 at12'20 Andy Schwaller <aschwaller@garfield- wrote
Not a problem
From: Matthew Ringer [mailto:mmringe12 1@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24,2077 LO:22 AM
To: Andy Schwaller <aschwaller@ga rfield-countv.com>
Subject: Re: Website inquiry -Community Development
Thank you again. I apologize, I wasn't exactly sure of that process. I'll pick it up today.
On Wed, May 24,2017 at09:13 Andy Schwaller <aschwa[er@garfield- wrote:
The permit had not been issued yet. The ladies up front will call to pick up the septic permit.
From: Matthew Ringer lmailto:mmringe12l@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24,2017 8:20 AM
To: Andy Schwaller <aschwaller@sarfield-countv.com>
Subiect: Re: Website inquiry -Community Development
Thank you Andy. I will ask about getting the permit number.
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On Tue, }y'ray 23,2017 at 08:28 Andy Schwaller <aschwaller@garfield-o wrote:
It is actually based on the total number of bedrooms. Please call 970-945-3470 ext 1621. Leave the permit
number, type of inspection and contact number. You will need to have the test holes dug beforehand and
presoaked the day before the soil review. We will need 5 gallons per test hole to be at the sight when we
come out.
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Ringer [mailto :Mmringer2 I @gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 22,2017 4:53 PM
To: Andy Schwaller <aschwaller@garfield-
Subj ect: Website inquiry -Community Development
Matthew Ringer has sent you a message:
Septic OWTS percolation test
970-618-5993
Andy, it is my understanding that we may proceed with the septic engineering for our combined future
recreation cabin and Ag. Barn at 7225 county road 312, New Castle. We have previously submitted this
application along with payment. It will need to be designed for one bathroom in the cabin and one bathroom
in the barn with eventually another bathroom for a total of 4 toilets and one "no flush" urinal. May we
schedule a percolation test at this time? Thank you
' Matthew Ringer 970-618-5993
Matthew Ringer 97 0-618-5993
Matthew Ringer 97 0-618-5993
Matthew Ringer 97 0-618-5993
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Dave Argo
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From:Matthew Ringer < mmringer2l-@gmail.com >
Saturday, March 31,2018 l-2:39 PM
Dave Argo
Andy Schwaller; Glenn Haftmann; Sylvia Ringer
Re: Ringer Cabin - Permit #BLRE-03-l-8-5L15
Dave,
Thank you for the clarification on the photos.
It's understood that it is better to pull a permit prior to construction. We didn't originally have plans to convert
the "recreation" cabin to a primary residence, but our situation changed for it to be necessary to convert the
cabin. I was just going off of information provided from our past meetings.
Yes, Andy contacted me and I provided him with a completed engineer report certifying the barn was built per ,
Garfield County building code requirements. I was told that pursuing the "land use change" was the next step.
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 07:10 Dave Argo <dargo@garfield-couff wrote:
Matthew
It's good to hear that your Structural Engineer was present during construction to view structural elements of the cabin
as it was being built. That should make it easier for them to certify that it complies with Garfield County's minimum
building requirements. The purpose of taking photos during construction is to provide a record of construction progress
for a consulting professional Engineer hired directly by you so that they can view key structural & plumbing elements of
that become concealed during the construction process. Our office can only review & inspect work as it's being
completed, which is why it's best to pull a building permit before construction begins.
After looking at your building permit application for the barn, I know that we are still awaiting Structural Engineering
certification of this existing steel building before we can go any further in issuing an "after the fact" building permit.
The barn is still being held in our "pending projects" file and I believe that Andy Schwaller contacted you recently about
whether or not you wanted to have us continue to hold the file or close it out.
I have also asked Glenn Hartmann to reach out to you for a status update and to assist you with any pending land use
change issues on your property.
Dave Argo
Subject:
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Wade Patton
Tuesday, April 9, 2019 10:33 AM
Community Development
Ringer NOV for review
March 6 NOV.docx; Hip Camp 1.JPG; Wedding FB 1.JPG
I sent this to everyone so that all are aware. When this gets sent, as Sheryl said, there will be feedback from the Ringers
so I want everyone to have the details. This is the draft and has not been sent so any feedback or changes will be noted
and included in the actual letter sent. Please provide the comments or feedback as soon as you can so that I can get this
out.
I have 6 documented weddings that have been held there from 2OL7 -2OL8 and 7 documented "Hip Camp" visitors also
They seem to be actively pursuing both of these activities this year already again.
Thanks all !!
Wade Patton
Garfield County Code Enforcement
108 8th Street, Suite 401
Glenwood Springs, CO 81601
Telephone: 970-945-t377, ext 1530
Email: wpatton@garfield-countv.com
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GarrteW County
Community Development
108 8th Street, Suite 401, GlenrvooclSprings, CO 81601
Oflìce: 970-945-82 I 2 Fax: 970-384-3470
March 6,2019
Matt & Sylvia Ringer
73rs cR3l2
New Castle, CO. 81647
Delivered Certified Return Receipt and Regular Mail
Certified mail #'s
NOTICE OF VIOLATION - ZONING/BT]ILDING CODE
Dear Matt & Sylvia Ringer
The Garfield County Code Enforcement Officer is giving you notice that we have evidence of
multiple ongoing code violations. The location of the violations is,7315 CR 312, New Castle CO.
81 647 . Parcel Number 21833220001 I .
The violations are, the use of the bam as a community meeting facility / wedding venue and
bathroom support for the tent camping without a building permit for the barn and an approved land
use change permit for the use of said barn. Also, use of the ploperty as a commercial camping
verlue requires a land use permit.
Due to the ongoing issues since 2016 and we have discussed this multiple times with you, wtth*e
staffand+yselfr this is the only notice that we will send.
Violation L IBC:
Section 105 of the International Building Code (IBC) Permits:
105.1 Required. Any owner or authorized agent who intends to construct, enlarge, alter, repair,
move, demolish, or change the occupancy of a building or structure, or to erect, install, enlarge,
alter, repair, remove, convert or replace any electrical, gas, mechanical or plumbing system, the
installation of which is regulated by this code, or to cause any such work to be done, shall first
make application to the building official and obtain the required permit.
Section 114 of the IBC Violations:
ll4.l Unlawful acts. It shall be unlawful for any person, firm or corporation to erect, construct,
alter, extend, repair, move, remove, demolish or occupy any building, structure or equipment
regulated by this code, or cause same to be done, in conflict with or in violation of any provision
of this code.
114.3 Prosecution of Violation. If the notice of violation is not complied with in
the time prescribed by such notice, the building official is authorized to request the
legal counsel of the jurisdiction to institute the appropriate proceedings at law or in
equity to restrain, correct or abate such violation, or to require the removal or
termination of the unlawful occupancy of the building or structure in violation of the
provisions of this code or of the order or direction made pursuant thereto.
Violation 2: LUDC violations:
2-103. LAND USE CHANGE WITHOUT A PERMIT IS PROHIBITED.
A Land Use Change Permit must be obtained in compliance with this Code prior to beginning any
development or activity associated with a change in land use. Failure to obtain aLandUse Change
Permit shall be a violation of this Code and subject to the enforcement provisions in Article 12.
Required Action:
o A meeting with a County planner must be scheduled to determine the requested use of the
property. At that time it can be determined if a Land Use Permit is needed. This would be
the first permit required. (You started this permit application on I I/18/2016, GAPA I I-16-
8499. You sent the county a letter that stated that you wished to withdraw your application
on I2-l -2016. You were provided with a letter from Kathy Eastly (planner for the county)
øfter we received your withdrswal letter that stated that your application was not complete
and she requested more items from you in that letter.)
o If a land use permit is granted, the next permit required would be a building permit.
(Continued use of the bam without a permit is a violation and will result in any or all of
the listed enforcement actions below.)
o A site visit must be scheduled to confirm compliance of the required actions.
Correction and Remedy:
You are hereby given notice, pursuant to Article 12 of the LUDC, that you have 10 days from
receipt of this notice to completely correct the violations or cease and desist from continuing the
violation. Under Article 12 of the LUDC, your failure to correct or cease the violations on your
property may result in one or more of the following enforcement actions being taken against you:
l. Revocation of any building permits issued for improvements of the subject property;
2. Denial of additional land use approvals or building or other development applications
pertaining to the subject property;
3. Suspension of any land use approvals for the subject property;
4. Withdrawal of any development permits that are being violated;
5. Forfeiture of any vested property rights;
6. Criminal enforcement;
7. County court civil penalties;
8. Civil lawsuit.
You have the right to appeal this Notice of Violation, pursuant to the provisions of the Garfield
County LUDC. Garfield County Building and Zoning regulations, Enforcement Protocol and
permit application forms are available at www.garfield-county.com in the Community
Development directory.
If you have any questions regarding what actions are required to achieve compliance, or you wish
to report compliance action taken, please contact this office in writing at the address below or by
E-mail wpatton@ garfield-county. com
Respectfully,
Wade Patton
Code Enforcement Offrcer
Garfield County Community Development
Garfield County Administration Building
108 8th Street, Suite 401
Glenwood Springs, CO. 81601
970-945-1377 x 1530
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Sylvia Ringer <sringer2L@9mail'com>
Thursday, APril LL, 201-9 11:43 PM
Sheryl Bower; Glenn Hartmann; Godwin, Jeannine; Matthew Ringer
Response to meeting with GlennSubject:
Glenn and Sheryl,
I wanted to take the time to thank you for continuing to try to work with us through this permitting process. I
am very disappointed that though we met in August to try to come up with a solution via an Agritourism permit,
no progr"rs hás been made in the development ıf such a permit, and there really is no expectation of one being
developed in the near future. As I expressed to Glenn this leaves us in limbo which is a very unsettling place
for us to be, as we want to do the right thing.
We believe that we share common interests with the both the county government as well as the citizens of
Garfield County in the pursuit of using our barn in a limited capacity for events. The economic value of such a
facility is well.rn¿"rrt*¿ (I think - if not I'd be happy to explain that), and without a facility like ours the
county will lose revenue to other, more affordable cãunties such as Mesa County. It's already happening.The
citizens of Garfield County have an interest in a facility like ours as is evidenced by the numerous phone calls
and e-mails that I turn down on a weekly basis - without even advertising. Additionally, I believe that you
would like there to be a means to allowihis to be accomplished without a burdensome workload given the
amount of projects currently on your plate, and the fact that you just lost a planner- We would too.
As I reviewed the Land Use Code for the umpteenth time, I am reminded that under the current Plan, if one
were to use the language provided, we would zol even be required to go through administrative review for a
Community Meetiñg fãciìity defined as "community Meeting Facility. A facility for public gatherings including, but
not limited to, recreatiãn halls ánd auditoriums, and holdìngevents such as weddings, wedding receptions, community
meetings, and meetings and events sponsor"d by neighborhood groups, religious groups, philanthropic organizations,
etc."
public Gatherings being defined as "public Gatherings. Any group of 350 or more persons assembled for an event, meeting,
festival, social gathering, or other similar purpose for a period of time which exceeds 8 hours within any 24-hour period'"
As one would read the Land Use Code, it is in black and white what the intent is. However, you have expressed thatyou prefer that
we go through the administrative review process. In the Land Use Code the Administrative Review is defined as "A change in land
ur"îhut will have ìnsìgníftcant impact iisubject to the Administrative Review process."
Insignificant Impact.
This was the most mystifing part for me. At some point went from an "insignificant impact" to being labeled as "commercial use'"
Andy even said ,,you .un rrui" u, many wedding, ur'you *utrt if y,ou don't tuk" uny money." clearly his concern was not human health
and safety, or environmental impacts, tr socioeıonomic benefit. It was if Matthew and sylvia Ringer make money. Baffling,
right? you were both there whén he said that ancl no one disputed it. At that time it was also determined that we could allow fricnds
to uso our barn for w"dJing, if we wanted to. And that if we wanted to rent out our tables and chairs, that would fall completely
outside of this process.
At this point I think it would be valuable to see commercial use as defined by your Land use code "use, Commercial. Any use or
activity primarily devoted to business, such as the purchase, sale, leãse or exchange of goods, and/or the provision of
services.', Given that we primarilyuse our barn forägricultural storage (by leaps and bounds), I would say that this
definition certainly does not apply to us. What are we doing?
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In ow last mooting, Glenn asked me to list the things tlnt we have identifled as a hardship from being labelled as commercialuse' After reading the Land Use Code and seeing those words "Insignificant Impact" I was once agaîn perplexed as to how far theprocess has gotten from the intent that was set forth just a few short years ago, in 2013.
These are some (but not all) of the things that do not reflect an insignifìcant impact and that wouldrcsultfrom bcing labelled ascommercial:
Having to provide an engineered site plan ($3OOO¡
A noise survey ($5000)
An 80,000 gallon cistem and sprinkler system ($25,000-$30,000)
A commercial road use fee ($15,000) - which we tried multiple times and could never get an answer for
A 10 foot concrete apron on ow driveway ($3000)
Changing the well permit ($30,000) or hauling water
From here I would like to meet with both of you. We certainly have things to discuss and I'm no longer comfortable with being inlimbo and it is not your right to keep us there. You are not foilowing yoor tand Use Code, and we aie repeatedly being targeted andsingled out. Your code does not require us to oblain a permit, you Oo not have permit that ápplies to r¡s, yet you feel like yo¡
can require us to get a permit that does not even exist. Your code enforcement þerson has turned a blind-eye on his friends who
are unabashedly violating_ the code in ways we wouldn't dream of and he isn't addressing it. If that's not targeting, I don,t know whatis. I have lost sleep, cried, and had an immeasurable amount of stress from this pro""rr-*d have been met with either apathy,targeting and retaliation from county employees. Please help us get out of this iisue. we have been trying for 3 years. As a reminder,
\rye are ultimately trying to meet a need in our community. why is this so difficult?
Sheryl, When we met in August, you specifically said that you did not think that we needed a commercial permit and that theadministrative review prgces! wasn't appropriate for our situation. At that time we discussed having me hetp in the development of anagritourism permit' I enthusiastically agreed to be a part of that process. I even spoke to Jeannine lãst week regarding this issue and Ithought we were on the right track' To request voluntary help fròm a (very busyj citizen and concurrently try to citeîhem for aviolation seems at best to be...t'nproductive. I thought we weie working together'toward a solution. ro say that I am disappointedwould be an understatement.
I am a little cotlfused altú surtçsrned as to where the lapue in communication has been. We would like somc clarification on thc mattcr
as soon as possible' If you felt that we needed to take a different course, I would have expected to hear from you at some point. Am Iincorrect in that assumption? Wc kccp having meetiugs with uuunty employees and haveìpent hours not gettíng *y "on.."t" answersorjust getting bad information. It has been one of the strangest and most frustrating pro."rr6 I havc ever-dealiwil.r, to he hernest.
Right now we are seeking guidance as to how to proceed. We are tired of the retaliation and we are tired of being demonized. Can weplease just work together? That is all we have wanted from the beginning. If we didn't we would have just stayeã'off your radar likeeveryone else - and yes, sometimes I wish we had. Rut I genuinely beliwe that this is an opportunþ io impróve the process and thatwe can meet the contmon interests of all the involved parties. I hope you feel the ru.n. *u5. ^
Please call me at your earliest convenience.
Sylvia Ringer
(970) 618-442s
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