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Home My WebLink AboutCorrespondence2Dave Argo From: Whitney <whitney360@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 2:10 PM To: Dave Argo Cc: Ron Biggers; Greg.Bak@cogs.us; Michael Scurlock Subject: Re: Springridge Reserve Lot 75 - Permit #BLRE-01-18-5073 Attachments: comfortboard80_techdatasheet_en.pdf Follow Up Flag: Follow up Flag Status: Flagged Hi Dave, I talked with Ron Biggers this spring, and was told that carport and exterior decking is considered non- combustible if the exterior of the home in that area is covered with non-combustible material. He explained that the reason for this was to prevent spread from things like outdoor barbecues. He reviewed a spec sheet for mineral wool board (0 flame spread index and non-combustible), and thought it was an acceptable barrier. He also explained that any covered patio area would need non-combustible covering such as sheet metal on underside to be excluded from the 3600ft calculation. In the new home design, we eliminated most of the decking for cost reasons except the decking to the right of the garage. This decking will be made of composite decking board, and the exterior walls of the house will be wrapped with mineral wool board. We will also put steel roofing metal on the underside of any large overhangs (though we eliminated front roof overhang accept small area above front door and are not putting a deck in the back as submitted in plan revisions last month, so won't have any covered patio.) On my calculation, this should put us under the 3600 sq foot requirement. Is there any way to get a new calculation of total fire area or could you confirm that the information provided by Ron is correct regarding definition of combustible/non-combustible deck/patio? Thank you for your time, Whitney Whitney Scurlock 970-488-0233 HOA guidelines: "Any dwelling unit that is greater than 3,600 square feet in total area must have an interior fire sprinkler system installed that is in compliance with NFPA 13R and 13D 1999. Total area includes finished and unfinished living space, attached garages and any combustible uncovered or covered decks and/or patios. Homeowners are encouraged to review the specific requirements for interior fire sprinkler systems with the appropriate garfield county building officials prior to completion of the design and submission of the new home to the ACC for review and approval." On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Dave Argo <dargo rr garfield-county.com> wrote: Hi Ron: I am currently reviewing plans for another new residence located up in Springridge Reserve. This home is located on Lot 75, and I have notified the homeowners — Whitney & Michael Scurlock — that they need to contact you about fire sprinkler system requirements since the overall fire area exceeds 3,600 SF. 1 Knowing that you typically like to see a square footage summary of the project, I have provided the following breakdown for your information & usc: LOWER LEVEL RESIDENCE 1,105 UPPER LEVEL RESIDENCE 1,810 SUB -TOTAL 2,915 2 -CAR ATTACHED GARAGE 655 ATTACHED CARPORT 220 COVERED DECK/PATIO AREAS 780 TOTAL "FIRE AREA" 4,570 S.F. If you should need to see plans of the project to get a better idea of their intentions, please contact the Scurlocks, who have also been copied on this email. Please let me know if you have any questions & thanks for your assistance. Dave Argo Plans Examiner Gar.Jired County Community Development Department 108 8" Street, Suite 401 Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 Tel: 970-945-8212 Ext. 1610 Email: druyo ugarfcld cou,zty.cunr Web: earfteld-coup y.com 2 ROXUL v ComfortBoard 80 JERE Technical Data Sheet Board Insulation 07210* Board Insulation 07 21 13'" ROXUL COMFORTBOARDTM 80 Insulated Sheathing Product Description & Application ROXUL COMFORTBOARDTM 80 is a rigid mineral wool, non-structural insulated sheathing board used as continuous insulation in high performance wall systems. 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However, this total area does not include the carport or covered deck areas — only areas enclosed by exterior walls at residence + garage. Garfield County Building Department does not have the authority to waive requirements in this regard, and so the condition for a fire sprinkler system to be installed will remain on the set of approved plans from our office. However, you apparently had discussed several specific items with Ron Biggers before he retired from his position as Deputy Fire Chief with Glenwood Springs Fire District. If you can similarly convince Greg Bak to accept the same conditions as Ron and you can provide our Building Inspector with a letter from Greg stating this position, our office will accept this in response to the aforementioned Condition of Approval now shown on your approved plans. I have copied Greg on this email correspondence and suggest that you contact him at your earliest opportunity in order to resolve this situation. If you do subsequently receive approval from Greg to not install a fire sprinkler system, please email a copy of his letter to me so that I can place it in your building permit file. Thanks again for contacting our office with your concerns. Dave Argo Plans Examiner . Garfield County Community Development Department 108 8th Street, Suite 401 Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 Tel: 970-945-8212 Ext. 1610 Email: dargo@garfield-county.com Web: garfield-county.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email communication and any files transmitted along with it are intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by email and delete it from your files. From: Dave Argo Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 7:36 AM To: 'Whitney' <whitney360@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Springridge Reserve Lot 75 - Permit #BLRE-01-18-5073 Whitney: My apologies for not getting back to you sooner, but I was out of the office a few days last week fighting a severe summer cold and have now just returned & catching up on emails. 1 I was unaware of your previous conversations with Ron Biggers when I recently spoke to Greg Bak about your project. Let me review your recent email and review your plans again before getting back to you regarding fire sprinkler requirements for your Springridge Reserve residence. Thanks for your patience — Dave Argo Plans Examiner Garfield County Community Development Department 108 8th Street, Suite 401 Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 Tei. 770-945-8212 Ext. 1610 Email: dargonu garfield-countvcom Web: garfield-county.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email communication and any files transmitted along with it are intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by email and delete it from your files. From: Whitney [mailto:whitnev360@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 2:10 PM To: Dave Argo <dargo@garfield-county.com> Cc: Ron Biggers <ron.biggers@cogs.us>; Greg.Bak@cogs.us; Michael Scurlock <mscurlock@msn.com> Subject: Re: Springridge Reserve Lot 75 - Permit #BLRE-01-18-5073 Hi Dave, I talked with Ron Biggers this spring, and was told that carport and exterior decking is considered non- combustible if the exterior of the home in that area is covered with non-combustible material. He explained that the reason for this was to prevent spread from things like outdoor barbecues. He reviewed a spec sheet for mineral wool board (0 flame spread index and non-combustible), and thought it was an acceptable barrier. He also explained that any covered patio area would need non-combustible covering such as sheet metal on underside to be excluded from the 3600ft calculation. In the new home design, we eliminated most of the decking for cost reasons except the decking to the right of the garage. This decking will be made of composite decking board, and the exterior walls of the house will be wrapped with mineral wool board. We will also put steel roofing metal on the underside of any large overhangs (though we eliminated front roof overhang accept small area above front door and are not putting a deck in the back as submitted in plan revisions last month, so won't have any covered patio.) On my calculation, this should put us under the 3600 sq foot requirement. Is there any way to get a new calculation of total fire area or could you confirm that the information provided by Ron is correct regarding definition of combustible/non-combustible deck/patio? Thank you for your time, Whitney Whitney Scurlock 970-488-0233 HOA guidelines: "Any dwelling unit that is greater than 3,600 square feet in total area must have an interior fire sprinkler system installed that is in compliance with NFPA 13R and 13D 1999. Total area includes finished and unfinished living space, attached garages and any combustible uncovered or covered 2 Dave Argo From: Dave Argo Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 8:02 AM To: 'Michael Scurlock'; Greg.Bak@cogs.us; Andy Schwaller; Whitney Subject: RE: FW: Springridge Reserve Lot 75 - Permit #BLRE-01-18-5073 Michael & Whitney: Just for clarification, the requirement for fire sprinklers at Springridge Reserve for residences in excess of 3,600 SF is tied to a specific plat note listed on the subdivision's final plat, and this is one of the conditions of subdivision approval when it was granted by Garfield County. In past conversations with Ron Biggers, who provided oversight review comments during the subdivision approvals process, it stemmed from concerns about availability of water to fight any potential fires that may occur in the subdivision. All such plat notes for properties located within subdivisions are reviewed by our office during plan review, and these legal requirements aren't subject to waiver by our office. However, as described in my previous email, the local Fire District does have final say on this particular matter. Dave Argo Plans Examiner . Garfield County; Community Development Department 108 8th Street, Suite 401 Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 Tel: 970-945-8212 Ext. 1610 Email: dargo@garfield-county.com Web: garfield-county.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email communication and any files transmitted along with it are intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by email and delete it from your files. From: Michael Scurlock [mailto:mscurlock@msn.com] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 6:49 PM To: Greg.Bak@cogs.us; Andy Schwaller <aschwaller@garfield-county.com>; Whitney <whitney360@gmail.com>; Dave Argo <dargo@garfield-county.com> Subject: Re: FW: Springridge Reserve Lot 75 - Permit #BLRE-01-18-5073 Greg, Thank you for taking the time to deal with this; it sounds like potentially uncharted waters. What would be required in order to have the deck area classified as non-combustible, which seems to be the big constraint here on the SF classification? We're not trying to skirt safety or regulations, but we're on a tight budget for this build and every dollar counts. We're also a bit confused as to why the message has changed since Ron's departure. It does seem that this is more of a specific Spring Ridge PUD requirement, considering the maximum SF restriction in Garfield County is 7,500. 1 I appreciate your professional experience and look forward to your guidance on how to move forward. I'll plan on reaching out tomorrow by phone if I don't hear back via email. Kind regards, Michael Scurlock From: Whitney <whitney360@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 7:22 PM To: Michael Scurlock Subject: Fwd: FW: Springridge Reserve Lot 75 - Permit #BLRE-01-18-5073 Forwarded message From: Dave Argo <dargo@garfield-county.com> Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 3:15 PM Subject: FW: Springridge Reserve Lot 75 - Permit #BLRE-01-18-5073 To: Whitney <whitnev360{Wgmail.com> Cc: "Greg Bak (greg.bak@cogs.us)" <greg.bak@cogs.us>, Andy Schwaller <aschwaller@garfield-countv,com> Whitney: After reviewing your recent email and taking another look over your approved plans we agree that square footage of your new residence is just below the 3,600 SF maximum allowable size in Springridge Reserve without requiring a fire sprinkler system (3,570 SF by our calculations). However, this total area does not include the carport or covered deck areas — only areas enclosed by exterior walls at residence + garage. Garfield County Building Department does not have the authority to waive requirements in this regard, and so the condition for a fire sprinkler system to be installed will remain on the set of approved plans from our office. However, you apparently had discussed several specific items with Ron Biggers before he retired from his position as Deputy Fire Chief with Glenwood Springs Fire District. If you can similarly convince Greg Bak to accept the same conditions as Ron and you can provide our Building Inspector with a letter from Greg stating this position, our office will accept this in response to the aforementioned Condition of Approval now shown on your approved plans. I have copied Greg on this email correspondence and suggest that you contact him at your earliest opportunity in order to resolve this situation. If you do subsequently receive approval from Greg to not install a fire sprinkler system, please email a copy of his letter to me so that I can place it in your building permit file. Thanks again for contacting our office with your concerns. Dave Argo Plans Examiner C. Garfield County Community Development Department 108 8th Street, Suite 401 Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 Tel: 970-945-8212 Ext. 1610 Email: dargo@garfield-county.corn 2 Dave Argo From: Dave Argo Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 3:11 PM To: 'Greg Bak' Subject: RE: Proposed SCURLOCK Response Greg: The only thing I'd change is to maybe add the following in red text below to your item #1 as follows: 1. The "fire area" of the proposed residence has been determined to be in excess of 3600 square feet. The final plat for Spring Ridge Reserve Subdivision requires homes of this size to be equipped with an automatic fire sprinkler system (NFPA 13D). The Scurlock's submitted a very unconventional set of plans (2-3 times the number of sheets as typical and somewhat unusual illustrations of building design). Maybe some of their subs have given higher pricing because of this, and everyone's really busy right now so it's not a buyer's market either. In any case, limited funds on their part don't provide us with a reason to circumvent legal requirements as stated on the Final Plat. Thanks for sending this over for my review. Dave Argo Plans Examiner Garfield County 1 Community Development Department 108 8th Street, Suite 401 Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 Tel: 970-945-8212 Ext. 1610 Email: dargo@garfield-county.com Web: garfield-county.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email communication and any files transmitted along with it are intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by email and delete it from your files. From: Greg Bak [mailto:greg.bak@cogs.us] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:17 AM To: Dave Argo <dargo@garfield-county.com> Subject: Proposed SCURLOCK Response Dave, I am planning to send this to the Scurlocks. Please review for accuracy. They have recently been inquiring as to how much of the project they can do themselves. He is now stating that the sprinkler system will cost $22-25K. I just did a final inspection at the Hill residence in the same neighborhood (roughly 4000 sq ft) and was told his project came in at about $12,000. Do you suppose Scurlock is getting bids on the ENTIRE 4570 sq ft, or just the portion he needs sprinklered i (upper/lower residence = 2915 sq ft)? Would make a big difference on affordability. Let me know what you think. Thanks, Greg Bak Fire Protection Analyst Glenwood Springs Fire Department 2 Dave Argo From: Greg Bak <greg.bak@cogs.us> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 12:23 PM To: Michael Scurlock Cc: Gary Tillotson; Dave Argo Subject: Re: SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR NEW HOME Michael -- Here are answers to the two questions posed: 1) I cannot find any information on the Glenwood Springs Fire Dept website about NICET requirements for fire sprinkler design or installation. Could you direct me to these legal and documented requirements? The Glenwood Springs Fire Department website does not appropriately answer your questions because your project is in Garfield County. The County, most recently adopted the 2009 International Fire Code, therefore references herein are from that document and the County amendments. Bear in mind that the fire suppression system requirement for Spring Ridge Reserve is derived from the plat for the development. Please refer to the 2009 International Fire Code, as adopted (with amendments) by Garfield County in May, 2011: "105.4 Construction Documents. Construction Documents* shall be in accordance with Sections 105.4.1 through 105.4.6. 105.4.1 Submittals. Construction documents and supporting data shall be submitted in two or more sets with each application for a permit and in such form and detail as required by the fire code official. Construction documents shall be prepared by a registered design professional** where required by the statutes of the jurisdiction in which the project is to be constructed. " * Construction Documents as defined in the 2009 IFC (Chapter 2, Definitions): The written, graphic and pictorial documents prepared or assembled for describing the design, location and physical characteristics of the elements of the project necessary for obtaining a permit. ** Registered Design Professional as defined in the 2009 IFC (Chapter 2, Definitions): An architect or engineer, registered of licensed to practice professional architecture or engineering, as defined by the statutory requirements of the professional registration laws of the state in which the project is to be constructed. 2) The information I can find from the "Plan Review Application" document on the website indicates that an "Engineer's stamp" is sufficient for the sprinkler design. I am a licensed Colorado Professional Engineer (PE) and meet this requirement. NICET qualified personnel do not have "stamps"; having a PE stamp is a legal professional status with all associated liabilities. 1 An engineer's stamp, as you descrihe, indicates legal professional spilus with all associated liabilities. What is referred to as NICET certification is not a stamp, but is affixed to the plans much in the same way as an engineer's stamp and indicates the certification level and NICET number. "Section 901.2 Construction Documents. The fire code official shall have the authority to require construction documents and calculations for all fire protection systems and to require permits be issued for the installation, rehabilitation or modification of any fire protection system. Construction documents for fire protection systems shall be submitted for review and approval prior to system installation." Amended by Garfield County to read: "Section 901.2 Construction documents and shop drawings, with the addition of the two following comments: 1. Approval signature and documentation. Shop drawings for fire sprinklers must bear the seal and signature of a graduate Fire Protection Engineer or a qualified State of Colorado licensed engineer practicing in their respective field of expertise or a NICET Level III or higher in sprinkler system design." 2. A sealed set of these shop drawings, complete with review comments, shall be made available at all times at the work site for fire department inspection. An identical set of shop drawings shall be given to the owner. I am available to meet with you Wednesday or Thursday this week, if that works. Please call to set a time. Greg Bak Fire Protection Analyst Glenwood Springs Fire Department From: Michael Scurlock <mscurlock@msn.com> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 8:35 AM To: Greg Bak Subject: Re: SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR NEW HOME No worries, Greg. Let's get a face-to-face this week if possible. Kind regards, Michael From: Greg Bak <greg.bak@cogs.us> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 8:38 AM To: Michael Scurlock; whitney360@gmail.com Subject: Re: SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR NEW HOME 2 Please disregard the email I sent at 07:35. While the content is correct, I was still in the draft stages and sent it inadvertently before completing. Greg Bak From: Greg Bak Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 7:35:11 AM To: Michael Scurlock; whitney360@gmail.com Subject: Re: SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR NEW HOME 1. The Glenwood Springs Fire Department website, which is currently under revision, reflects the following City of Glenwood Sprngs and the the Glenwood Springs Rural Fire Protection District amendment to the 2009 IFC regarding Construction Documents: §105.4.1 Construction Documents Submittals. The following shall be added to Section 105.4.1: All plans for fire alarms systems submitted for approval shall have affixed the stamp and signature of a NICET Level III or higher in fire alarm design or a Colorado Certified Professional Engineer with certified documented training in fire alarm system design. 2. The City of Glenwood Springs, the Glenwood Springs Rural Fire District, and Garfield County have adopted the 2015 International Fire Code (IFC) for fire protection issues, with applicable amendments. Please note that the City of Glenwood Springs 1. 2. Please refer to Section 105.4 of the IFC for the following pertinent information: "105.4 Construction Documents. Construction Documents* shall be in accordance with Sections 105.4.1 through 105.4.6. 105.4.1 Submittals. Construction documents and supporting data shall be submitted in two or more sets with each application for a permit and in such form and detail as required by the fire code official. Construction documents shall be prepared by a registered design professional where required by the statutes of the jurisdiction in which the project is to be constructed. " Also note that the City of Glenwood Springs and the Glenwood Springs Rural Fire District have amended the 2015 IFC, specifically paragraph 105.4.1 to read: "105.4.1 Submittals (Construction Documents). The following shall be added: All plans for automatic fire suppression systems submitted for approval shall have affixed the signature of a NICET Level III or higher in fire sprinkler system design or a Colorado Certified Professional Engineer with certified documented training in fire sprinkler system design. All plans for fire alarm 3 systems submitted for approval shall have affixed the stamp and signature of a Colorado Certified Professional Lngineer with certifications documenting training in fire alarm systems design or a NICET Level III or higher in fire alarm design." * Construction Documents as defined in the 2015 IFC (Chapter 2, Definitions): The written, graphic and pictorial documents prepared or assembled for describing the design, location and physical characteristics of the elements of the project necessary for obtaining a permit. From: Michael Scurlock <mscurlock@msn.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:13:30 PM To: Greg Bak; whitney360@gmail.com Subject: Re: SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR NEW HOME Greg, After further review of your email, I do have a few more questions. Thank you for your patience. 1) I cannot find any information on the Glenwood Springs Fire Dept website about NICET requirements for fire sprinkler design or installation. Could you direct me to these legal and documented requirements? 2) The information I can find from the "Plan Review Application" document on the website indicates that an "Engineer's stamp" is sufficient for the sprinkler design. I am a licensed Colorado Professional Engineer (PE) and meet this requirement. NICET qualified personnel do not have "stamps"; having a PE stamp is a legal professional status with all associated liabilities. Summarized directly from the "Plan Review Application" taken from the website on today's date as follows: Engineer's stamp or NICET registration number and signature are required on all sprinkler and fire alarm plans a) All sprinkler plans must have a hydraulic analysis of the water supply b) All sprinkler plan drawings must have a hydraulic analysis .submitted I have earned a doctorate in hydraulic engineering from an ABET accredited university. 3) I'd appreciate if we could meet In person if you have time available next week. Please let me know via email of my cell phone (512) 925-1902. Kind regards, Michael From: Greg Bak <greg.bak@cogs.us> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 5:20 PM To: Michael Scurlock Subject: SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR NEW HOME Michael - 1. The total fire area of your proposed residence has been determined to be in excess of 3600 square feet (4570 sq ft by the County Building Department's calculations). Spring Ridge 4 Reserve Homeowner's Association requires homes of this size to be equipped with an automatic fire sprinkler system (NFPA 13D). 2. NFPA 13D automatic sprinkler systems are designed for life safety. IT IS MY INTERPRETATION that the only part of the home that needs to be fitted with sprinklers is the residential living space. The portion of the calculated fire area that requires sprinklers - the residential portion - is 2915 square feet. If you requested a bid for the entire 4750 square feet, then the total price would be considerably higher than for the required area. 3. Engineering plans for the automatic fire sprinkler system shall be designed/stamped/signed by a NICET III Fire Protection Engineer. Installation of the automatic fire sprinkler system shall be overseen by a NICET II Fire Protection EngineerAttached is the requirement for a sprinkler system in your project. If you possess the NICET certifications, then yes, you can perform work to that level. 4. I have spoken with other people in your neighborhood who have installed systems for considerably less than what you stated as a quote. I would recommend getting competitive bids. Please let me know if this is of assistance in your planning process. Greg Bak Fire Protection Analyst Glenwood Springs Fire Department 5 Dave Argo From: Greg Bak <greg.bak@cogs.us> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 9:38 AM To: Michael Scurlock Cc: Dave Argo Subject: Re: SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR NEW HOME Attachments: PLAN REVIEW APPLICATION Checklist, Scurlock.docx Mr. Scurlock - Following up on your fire sprinkler plan submission, there are some elements I am still looking for: 1. GSFD Plan Review Application (From the City of Glenwood Springs website) 2. Plan Review Fee, as described with the Plan Review Application 3. Product Specification Sheet for the TYCO ELOC Sprinkler heads. I cannot proceed with the plan review without these items. Once reviewed, we can set up a time for your rough -in inspection and ultimately your final inspection prior to my sign -off on your building permit Feel free to call me if there are any questions, Greg Bak Fire Protection Analyst Glenwood Springs Fire Department (970) 384-6433 From: Michael Scurlock <mscurlock@msn.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 11:07:09 AM To: Greg Bak Subject: Re: SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR NEW HOME Greg, Is there a good time tomorrow to meet up? I work in Carbondale, so the morning or afternoon are probably best for me. Thanks, Michael From: Michael Scurlock <mscurlock@msn.com> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:19 PM To: Greg Bak 1 Cc: Gary Tillotson; dargo@garfield-county.com Subject: Re: SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR NEW HOME Greg, Thank you for the thorough response. I'll review the code and get materials together to have a productive conversation later this week. Do you have anymore specific guidance on what type of training certification you are mentioning as highlighted below? I'll give you a call this afternoon or tomorrow to set up a time. Kind regards, Michael From: Greg Bak <greg.bak@cogs.us> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:22 PM To: Michael Scurlock Cc: Gary Tillotson; dargo@garfield-county.com Subject: Re: SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR NEW HOME Michael -- Here are answers to the two questions posed: 1)1 cannot find any information on the Glenwood Springs Fire Dept website about NICET requirements for fire sprinkler design or installation. Could you direct me to these legal and documented requirements? The Glenwood Springs Fire Department website does not appropriately answer your questions because your project is in Garfield County. The County most recently adopted the 2009 International Fire Code, therefore references herein are from that document and the County amendments. Bear in mind that the fire suppression system requirement for Spring Ridge Reserve is derived from the plat for the development. Please refer to the 2009 International Fire Code, as adopted (with amendments) by Garfield County in May, 2011: "105.4 Construction Documents. Construction Documents* shall be in accordance with Sections 105.4.1 through 105.4.6. 105.4.1 Submittals. Construction documents and supporting data shall be submitted in two or more sets with each application for a permit and in such form and detail as required by the fire code official. Construction documents shall be prepared by a registered design professional** where required by the statutes of the jurisdiction in which the project is to be constructed. " * Construction Documents as defined in the 2009 IFC (Chapter 2, Definitions): The written, graphic and pictorial documents prepared or assembled for describing the design, location and physical characteristics of the elements of the project necessary for obtaining a permit. ** Registered Design Professional as defined in the 2009 IFC (Chapter 2, Definitions): An architect or engineer, registered of licensed to practice professional architecture or engineering, as defined by the statutory requirements of the professional registration laws of the state In which the project is to be constructed. 2) The information I can find from the "Plan Review Application" document on the website indicates that an "Engineer's stamp" is sufficient for the sprinkler design. 1 am a licensed Colorado Professional Engineer (PE) and 2 meet this requirement. NICET qualified personnel do not have "stamps'; having a PE stamp is a legal professional status with all associated liabilities. An engineer's stamp, as you describe, indicates legal professional status with all associated liabilities. What is referred to as NICET certification is not a stamp, but is affixed to the plans much in the same way as an engineer's stamp and indicates the certification level and NICET number. "Section 901.2 Construction Documents. The fire code official shall have the authority to require construction documents and calculations for all fire protection systems and to require permits be issued for the installation, rehabilitation or modification of any fire protection system. Construction documents for fire protection systems shall be submitted for review and approval prior to system installation." Amended by Garfield County to read: "Section 901.2 Construction documents and shop drawings, with the addition of the two following comments: 1. Approval signature and documentation. Shop drawings for fire sprinklers must bear the seal and signature of a graduate Fire Protection Engineer or a qualified State of Colorado licensed engineer practicing in their respective field of expertise or a NICET Level III or higher in sprinkler system design." 2. A sealed set of these shop drawings, complete with review comments, shall be made available at all times at the work site for fire department inspection. An identical set of shop drawings shall be given to the owner. I am available to meet with you Wednesday or Thursday this week, if that works. Please call to set a time. Greg Bak Fire Protection Analyst Glenwood Springs Fire Department From: Michael Scurlock <mscurlock@msn.com> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 8:35 AM To: Greg Bak Subject: Re: SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR NEW HOME No worries, Greg. Let's get a face-to-face this week if possible. Kind regards, Michael 3 From: Greg Bak <greg.bak@cogs.us> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 8:38 AM To: Michael Scurlock; whitney360@gmail.com Subject: Re: SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR NEW HOME Please disregard the email I sent at 07:35. While the content is correct, I was still in the draft stages and sent it inadvertently before completing. Greg Bak From: Greg Bak Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 7:35:11 AM To: Michael Scurlock; whitney360@gmail.com Subject: Re: SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR NEW HOME 1. The Glenwood Springs Fire Department website, which is currently under revision, reflects the following City of Glenwood Sprngs and the the Glenwood Springs Rural Fire Protection District amendment to the 2009 IFC regarding Construction Documents: §105.4.1 Construction Documents Submittals. The following shall be added to Section 105.4.1: All plans for fire alarms systems submitted for approval shall have affixed the stamp and signature of a NICET Level III or higher in fire alarm design or a Colorado Certified Professional Engineer with certified documented training in fire alarm system design. 2. The City of Glenwood Springs, the Glenwood Springs Rural Fire District, and Garfield County have adopted the 2015 International Fire Code (IFC) for fire protection issues, with applicable amendments. Please note that the City of Glenwood Springs 1. 2. Please refer to Section 105.4 of the IFC for the following pertinent information: "105.4 Construction Documents. Construction Documents* shall be in accordance with Sections 105.4.1 through 105.4.6. 105.4.1 Submittals. Construction documents and supporting data shall be submitted in two or more sets with each application for a permit and in such form and detail as required by the fire code official. Construction documents shall be prepared by a registered design professional where required by the statutes of the jurisdiction in which the project is to be constructed. " Also note that the City of Glenwood Springs and the Glenwood Springs Rural Fire District have amended the 2015 IFC, specifically paragraph 105.4.1 to read: 4 "105.4.1 Submittals (Construction Documents). The following shall be added: All plans for automatic fire suppression systems submitted for approval shall have affixed the signature of a NICET Level III or higher in fire sprinkler system design or a Colorado Certified Professional Engineer with certified documented training in fire sprinkler system design. All plans for fire alarm systems submitted for approval shall have affixed the stamp and signature of a Colorado Certified Professional Engineer with certifications documenting training in fire alarm systems design or a NICET Level III or higher in fire alarm design." * Construction Documents as defined in the 2015 IFC (Chapter 2, Definitions): The written, graphic and pictorial documents prepared or assembled for describing the design, location and physical characteristics of the elements of the project necessary for obtaining a permit. From: Michael Scurlock <mscurlock@msn.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:13:30 PM To: Greg Bak; whitney360@gmail.com Subject: Re: SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR NEW HOME Greg, After further review of your email, I do have a few more questions. Thank you for your patience. 1) I cannot find any information on the Glenwood Springs Fire Dept website about NICET requirements for fire sprinkler design or installation. Could you direct me to these legal and documented requirements? 2) The information I can find from the "Plan Review Application" document on the website indicates that an "Engineer's stamp" is sufficient for the sprinkler design. I am a licensed Colorado Professional Engineer (PE) and meet this requirement. NICET qualified personnel do not have "stamps"; having a PE stamp is a legal professional status with all associated liabilities. Summarized directly from the "Plan Review Application" taken from the website on today's date as follows: Engineer's stamp or NICET registration number and signature are required on all sprinkler and fire alarm plans a) All sprinkler plans must have a hydraulic analysis of the water supply b) All sprinkler plan drawings must have a hydraulic analysis submitted I have earned a doctorate in hydraulic engineering from an ABET accredited university. 3) I'd appreciate if we could meet in person if you have time available next week. Please let me know via email of my cell phone (512) 925-1902. Kind regards, Michael 5 From: Greg Bak <greg.bak@cogs.us> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 5:20 PM To: Michael Scurlock Subject: SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR NEW HOME Michael - 1. The total fire area of your proposed residence has been determined to be in excess of 3600 square feet (4570 sq ft by the County Building Department's calculations). Spring Ridge Reserve Homeowner's Association requires homes of this size to be equipped with an automatic fire sprinkler system (NFPA 13D). 2. NFPA 13D automatic sprinkler systems are designed for life safety. IT IS MY INTERPRETATION that the only part of the home that needs to be fitted with sprinklers is the residential living space. The portion of the calculated fire area that requires sprinklers - the residential portion - is 2915 square feet. If you requested a bid for the entire 4750 square feet, then the total price would be considerably higher than for the required area. 3. Engineering plans for the automatic fire sprinkler system shall be designed/stamped/signed by a NICET III Fire Protection Engineer. Installation of the automatic fire sprinkler system shall be overseen by a NICET II Fire Protection EngineerAttached is the requirement for a sprinkler system in your project. If you possess the NICET certifications, then yes, you can perform work to that level. 4. I have spoken with other people in your neighborhood who have installed systems for considerably less than what you stated as a quote. I would recommend getting competitive bids. Please let me know if this is of assistance in your planning process. Greg Bak Fire Protection Analyst Glenwood Springs Fire Department 6 Dave Argo From: Greg Bak <greg.bak@cogs.us> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 12:13 PM To: Dave Argo Subject: Re: SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR NEW HOME Attachments: 235 Hidden Valley Dr. Sprink planRev 102618.pdf Please disregard my request for your Plan Review Application and Payment -- it was filed elsewhere and I have it in front of me right now! All I really need now is the spec sheet for that TYCO sprinkler head. My apologies, Greg Bak Fire Protection Analyst Glenwood Springs Fire Department From: Dave Argo <dargo@garfield-county.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 9:37 AM To: Greg Bak Subject: Automatic reply: SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR NEW HOME I will be out of the office from November 7 - 28, 2018 for medical leave and returning at the start of business on Wednesday, November 28. If you need to speak with someone prior to my return, please contact the Garfield County Building Dept. at our main office phone number: (970) 945-8212. Thanks, Dave Argo 1 Glenwood Springs Fire Department Plan Review Application — Construction Permits 101 W. 8th St. Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 Phone: (970) 384-6480 Fax (970) 945-8506 Project Information -- Fill In all know/nn information Name Project/Site Nae Z ' 111 1v+704 /AL t. p r Rind Tenant name or building designation Previous Name Type of Business Number & Street z Ii. 16, [fie° b/ County -('12 , C- (Ut City or Co rgctor/Designer 1 Developer Information First NarfiB Last Name nc✓au//�L { Company Nam r57.4e_ jrNn1�4•-I. Cgnp Agdress at q34 s Citysl t q(— I z. Slats zip Phone Fax Contact Name Phone 1. Type of Submittal or Service Requested (check all tha HD Development jz(Ntew Building CO Alteration/Tenant Improvement El Addition/Alteration LO Approval Extension q] Revision Ip Temporary Access Approval # of Days t❑ Water Distribution System or Hydrant Locations in Underground Fire Line t❑ Hood and Duct System tjiliutomatic Sprinkler System 13.x 13R 13D, Fire Alarm or Detection System Halon or Clean Agent System ID CO2 System 1:0 Smoke Management Smoke Control EFJ Radio amplification System C❑ Alternative Methods or Materials ED Vehicle Access Gate High Pile or Rack Storage Hazardous Materials Storage Ib Other apply) Suite or Area Special District S:.-kAt .C.c eJ'' 4 c r or Project Manager (not les ) �i�h 9.. �(' First lIame Last Name Company Name Address City State Zlp Phone Fax Jot} Contact Name 2. 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Construction Inforinatlon Construction Class - Circle all that apply IA IIA ❑ 111AEl 1V VA IB❑ IIBEl III BO VB ❑ Construction Class if other than listed above Area (project area, include all levels): —sgft Number of Floor Levels Number of Control Areas FIRE DEPARTMENT USE ONLY n Data Received: i`'/0 ! 1 By: !� p Review # Permit # O{[f 6 Wtt-i(e Date Paid Fee `59 Check # RevlewlPermit Picked Up By: Representing: Plan Reviewer: Receipt # Fire Department Comments. While -- FO Administration Yellow— Permit Applicant Pink -- Fire Marshal Copy CITY OF GLENWOOD SPRINGS 10/26/18 10:08 AM YVETTE SCURLOCK - FIRE PERM RECEIPT NO:F260014 AMOUNT FMSM SCURLOCK-FIRE PERMIT 350.00 235 HIDDEN VALLEY DR - 2018066 PAYMENT RECEIVED AMOUNT VS 6919 350.00 TOTAL 350.00 PRINT