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Home My WebLink AboutCorrespondence-Water Share for Pond FillJohn Plano From: Sent: To: Subject: Barrett Cyr < barrett@cyrandcompany.com > Thursday, June 13, 20247:01 AM John Plano FW: 34 St Finnbar Application Good morning John, Betow is the emait thread f rom the water commission showing the approvat for the pond. I've asked the owner to send me the finat approval documents Eric Mangeot referenced betow. l'[[ pass them atong when I have them. Thank you! Barrett Cyr principal + builder po box 9054 aspen colorado 8L6L2 cell 970.948.0404 ba rrett@cvra n dcom pa nv.co m www.cvra n dcom pa nv.com instagram (Dcvrandco CYR AND COMPANY From : E ric Ma ngeot <e ric. ma ngeot@l,rewate r. com> Date: Wednesday, Apri[ 10,2024 at 8:37 AM To: Barrett Cyr <barrett@cyrandcompany.com> Cc: Thomas Zancanetla <taz@za-engineering.com>, mitter@watertaw.com <mitter@waterlaw.cotn), John M. Sittter <sittler@watertaw.com>, Barctay MiLl,er <barclaymitter@mac.com> Subject: Re: FW: FW: Mindting St Finnbar Lot 7 Apptication You did! Contract was approved by the Board of Directors. You shoutd be seeing something f rom Batcomb & Green in approximalely 2 -3 weeks to execute the contract. Eric F. Mangeot, P.E. Senior Project Manager Office: 970-945-6777 Eric.Ma LREwater LREWATER.COM 909 Colorado Avenue, Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 destroy all cLrpies of the cJriginal !"fiesIiaqc. 1 l:ank yor.r, On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 8:33 AM Barrett Cyr <barrett@cyrandcompany.com> wrote: Good morning Eric! How did we make out at yesterday's board meeting? Barrett Cyr principal+ builder po box 9064 aspen colorado 8tGL2 cell 970.948.0404 b a rrett(ocvra n dcom pa nv. co m www.cvrandcompanv,com instagra m @cvrandco CYR AND COMPANY r0D€r[ !ulLDlNG f 0r lNsPts€t Llvtre From : Eric Mangeot <eric. ma ngeot@trewater.com> Date: Thursday, February 29,2024 at 8:38 AM To: Thomas Zancanetta <taz@za-engineering.com> Gc: milter@watertaw.com <mitter@watertaw.com>, John M. Sittter <sittter@watertaw.com>, Barrett Cyr < ba rrett@cyra ndcompany.com>, Ba rclay M iLl,er < barctaymilter@mac.com> Subject: Re: FW: FW: Mindting St Finnbar Lot 7 Apptication Tom, I repl,otted the decreed location and it appears that it was wrong. I concur it is within 200'. lwil.t get the fite over to Batcomb & Green as soon as possibte. My apotogies for the confusion. Eric F. Mangeotn P.E. Senior Project Manager Office: 970-945-6777 Eric.Man LREwater.com LREWATER.COM 909 Colorado Avenue, Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 '"1;lll{FlDh:fi{l lAi-l { Y t{O I lt.[: erriail aruJ derstroy all c+pies of Lhe original mes$aqe. 'firank yori. 2 On Wed, Feb 28, 2O24 al4:44 PM Eric Mangeot <eric.mangeot@trewater.com> wrote: Tom, The apptication attached to your last emaiI has the same UTM for the existing welt tocation. This location is approxim ately 267 feet from the decreed tocation. Can you revise the apptication with the correct UTM? Thanks! Eric F. Mangeot, P.E. Senior Project Manager Office: 970-945-6777 Eric com LREWATER.GOM 909 Colorado Avenue, Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 al2:51 PM Thomas Zancanetta <taz@za-engineering.com> wrote: From: Thomas Zancane[ta Sent: Wednesday, February 28,20242:37 PY To: Ba rrett Cyr ( ba rrett@cyra ndcom pa ny. com) < ba rrett@cyra ndcom pa ny. com> Subject: RE: FW: Mindting St Finnbar Lot 7 Apptication Eric I checked with Barrett Cyr and he said that the wett was dritted within 200 feet of the decreed location, so there is no need to the second wett. The pond evaporation witt be fitted by ground water f rom the pond or the wetl lrrigation may be stored in the pond for less than 72 hours under its own priority. The pond wi[[ remain futt at the naturaI ground water [eve[. I deteted the second wetlfrom the apptication ptease submit if for approvatthe Barctay is wanting to buitd the pond as soon as possibte. 3 Thanks Tl,o^ae 4 Zarcar"//a Thomas A Zancanella ; P.E. Office: 970.945.5700 | 97 0.379.2926 | Fax: 97 0.945.1 253 taz@za-enqineerinq.com Zancanella & Associates Inc. I Engineering Consultants 1 01 1 Grand Avenue I Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 From: E ric Ma ngeot < e ric. ma ngeot@[rewater. com> Sent: Tuesday, February 27,2024 3:16 PM To: Thomas Zancanetta <taz@za-engineering.com> Subject: Re: FW: Mindting St Finnbar Lot 7 Apptication Tom, I ran the Gtover for the evaporation from the Mitter Pond/Wett, the existing groundwater wett, and proposed groundwater wett. You are correct in that they are essentiatty the same for each month from each source. However, it is not at a uniform rate across atl months. ln other words, the Appticant can augment the evaporation from any of the sources and the timing wil,l, not matter. There is a sticking point in proceeding with the new contract for Lot 6. As you pointed out, the actuaI tocation of the existing wetl is more than 200 feet from the 01CW305 decreed location. To correct this, al,tof the domestic & irrigation uses augmented under 01CW305 for Lot 6 under Contract 324 needs to be part of this new apptication. ln order not to doubl.e augment or needtess tie up BWCD contract suppties, BWCD witt require that Contract 324 concurrentty be amended to remove the Lot 6 depl,etions. This wil,t be the case of al,tthe l,ots within St. Finnbar that have this wett location issue. Therefore, it may be much cteaner and easier for the HOA to simuttaneousty amend Contract 324 and get a new umbretl,a ptan contract as necessary for the groundwdter wetts and inctude contemplated wett/ponds as part of that new contract. The HOA could conduct a special assessment asappropriateforeach totowner. lf you stittwantto proceedwith just Lots6 and7, p[easeadjustthe appl.ications as necessary and submit an amendment apptication for Contract 324. Eric F. Mangeot, P,E. Senior Project Manager Office: 970-945-6777 Eri Man LREwater.com LREWATER.GO 909 Colorado Avenue, Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 4 On Mon, Feb 26, 2024a|3:21PM Eric Mangeot <eric.mangeot@trewater.com>wrote: Tom, Thank you. Stitt need a schedute though. See questions/comments in red betow. Hopefutty, this atl, makes sense. Eric F. Mangeot, P.E. Senior Project Manager Office: 970-945-6777 Eric.Man LREWATER.COM 909 Colorado Avenue, Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 9:40 AM Thomas Zancanetta <taz@za-engineering.com> wrote For [ot 6 (Barclay Mitter) We are requesting that the additional, pond evaporation onty be augmented through the Basatt District. What do you mean by "additionat pond evaporation"? ls some evaporation not covered? Based on your responses betow, I wil,l, need to know the typical. start date and end date of ditch use to define when the wetts or ditch is providing reptacment of evaporation. Ptease have John Sittter inctude this on Page 5 of the Apptication. lf you want uttimate ftexibil,ity so that the wetl or ditch can be used at any time for evaporation reptacement, BWCD may need to provide a contract for twice the amount of evaporation (assuming 100% of the evaporation f rom each suppty; ditch diversions witt be timited by defining typicat start date and end date of the ditch). ln the past, BWCD has successfutty Looked at each suppty providing lOOo/o (inctuding wett tagging) and then using the maximum deptetion f rom each month. However, that was under Atan Martettaro and the new Division Engineer might view this differentLy. Ptease let me know how you wish to 5 L Eric, proceed. That wil,l, be the onty consumptive use we are seeking to augment, regardtess of the source of water to the pond. Ptease explain how wet[ water pumped for the reptacement of evaporation does not teak/exfttrate out of the pond to the groundwater levet. How wil,tthe use of the wetts be controtted? The water for evaporation witl, be diverted through an unlined pond/wel,t; one or two wetts (as described in the appl.ication); and/or the Middte Ditch, or any combination thereof. Locations are provided in the appl,ication except for the Middte Ditch [ega[ description, which is Listed betow: Ptease have John Sittl,er add this legal. description to the apptication to comptete it. The apptieation on Page 5 stitt states that intiat pond fitting eae h year is to be eoverd by the contract whereas Scott Mil,l,er has described that occuring under free river conditions in a subsquent emai[. This shoutd also be corrected so that the contract can be property noticed. Middle Ditch: The headgate is located on the north bank of said channel near the eastern line of the land claimed by Alexander Patterson, near the north Bank of the Roaring Fork River on or near Section 32,T 7 S, R 87 W of the 6th P.M. UTM NAD83 213: Northing- 4363735, Easting - 315720 The appticant is not requesting additionaI water for irrigation. Water f rom the Middte Ditch may be diverted under its own priority when avaitabte. Understood. The domestic water and Limited irrigation (8300 sq. ft.) is currentty diverted from a separate wetl augmented under (tot 6 Wett) 01CW0305. lf possibte, we were requesting that the domestic water and the pond evaporation be diverted f rom either of two wetl as an atternate point of diversion for the originat wett. Pond evaporation coutd be added as a separate contract. Once the contract is obtained the Appticant wil,l, need to revise the -F wetl permit to reference both BWCD contracts. For [ot 7 Qim Mindting). The water for evaporation witl, be diverted through an untined pond/wel.U or diverted through the existing wetl atso with a supptementaI contract to we[[ 7 in 01CW0305 (as described in the appl,ication domestic use ptus 8300 sq.ft. of irrigation); The Middte Ditch, or Lower ditches woutd onl.y be used under their own priority for irrigation no additionat irrigation water is requested. Thank you for inctuding the Middte Ditch as a source of suppty in the appl,ication. Simitarl.y, ptease let me know if the pond is fitted under free river conditions and the start/end dates of ditch use versus wetl use -or- tet me know how you want to proceed as described above. Please add the start and end dates for ditch diversions on Page 5 of the Apptication. Lastty, ptease exptain how wetl water pumped into the pond for the reptacement of evaporation does not leak/exfttrate to the groundwater [eve[ and thereby increasing wetl demand in order to keep the ponds futt. I was onty trying to answer the question with respect to "other water rights on the property." Lower and Middl.e ditch Thanks Ttr"*ae 4 Zuooo"//o Thomas A Zancanella I P.E. Office: 970.945.5700 | 97 0.37 9.2926 | Fax: 970. 945. 1 253 taz@za-engineerinq.com 6 Zancanella & Associates lnc. I Engineering Consultants 1 01 1 Grand Avenue I Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 From : Eric M a ngeot < eric. ma ngeot@trewater.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 21,2024 4:13 PM To: Thomas Zancanetla <taz@za-engineering.com> Gc: Jim Mindting (mindting@gmait.com)<mindl.ing@gmait.com>;John M. Sittter <sittter@waterlaw.com>; Mel,ody M orris < metody. morris@trewater.com> Subject: Re: Mindting St Finnbar Lot 7 Appl.ication Tom, I am assuming this appl,ication is simitar to Lot 6 owned by St. Finnbar Farm, LLC. However, in ltem 5 you don't mention Wett #1 , LotT , but rather the Laterat ditches or pumps off the Middte Ditch. Further down, the appl,ication onty describes Wett #1, Lot 7 as the fitt source. Based on further review of the appl,ication, it appears to be both. If so, ptease add the Legat description for both the Middte Ditch point of diversion off of the Roaring Fork River and the we[t, ptease add the existing wel.t permit number, and ctarify the description of the fitt sources. For both this appl,ication and St. Finnbar Farms, I need to know the amount of water (other than evaporation)for every month each Appticant wants. Scott Mil.l,er had previously mentioned the wetts witl al.so be used for shoul.der season fil.ting, topping off, or any time the Middte Ditch water is not avaitabte. As such, I need a more specific augmentation retease schedute. BWCD sets the retease schedute based on the apptication and can onty be subsequentty modified by an amendment. Given the pond/wetts are not [ined, there is tikety a significant amount of seepage loss when the ditch is off as the water tevel in each pond/wett wil,l, want to reach an equil,ibrium with the groundwater. ln other words, the appl,icants coutd be pumpin 92417 just to keep up with the exfittration rate during those times. Att of this water woutd atso be considered 100% deptetive f rom the wetl to the wett/pond so the contract witt get quite expensive. The St. Finnbar Farm, LLC apptication is currentty on hotd untiL the retease schedute is addressed. As such, ptease inctude a retease schedute for the Lot 7 apptication before submitting Sincerety, Eric F. Mangeot, P.E. Senior Project Manager Office: 970-945-6777 E 7 LREWATER.GOM 909 Colorado Avenue, Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 *, CONFIDENTI/TI-ITY NOI.}CF: Tliis eitraii mes$age is for the sole use o{ the intendecl recipient(-q} and may cDntaiir corrfideittial arrd 1:rivilegecl itrforrnatiorr. Any r-eply email att'-r' destroy all copies of the original rlless;lSe. Thank you. On Wed, Feb21,2024 at 3:23 PM Thomas Zancanetta <taz@za-engineering.com> wrote: Eric, Attached is a pond application for Jim Minding's St Finnbar Lot 7. Take a look and if it's ok lwitt bring over the appLication fee. -Tko",no.s R /-q^.u*nll 7 Thomas A Zancanetta P. E. B